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      Rattlesnake Charlie
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      Currently, Palmetto State Armory is offering this ammo in the 175 gr variety at an attractive price. Can I expect it to perform as well as the 168 gr variety in my post-64 Winchester Model 70?

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      We shot some in my sons Savage Model 12 FVB and he was getting about 3/4 MOA at 200 yds for five shots.
      That may be about as good as the rifle will do anyway.

      I doubt they are more accurate than that bullet loaded with 43 grs of Varget and Nosler brass.

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      I still have a case of the Federal Gold Match with 168 Grain SMKs which was gratis from Uncle Sam. It’s great stuff and the 175 grain bullet makes it even better at ranges past 500 yards. The 175 grain SMK will give you true 1,000 yard performance.

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      Guess I should buy some at $19.99/box.

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      Rattlesnake Charlie;n14013 wrote: Guess I should buy some at $19.99/box.

      That is a good price for that ammo.

      I have read somewhere that the ammo is loaded with 42.2 grs of IMR 4064, but I have not pulled a bullet and tried to analyze the powder.

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      WCM;n14016 wrote:

      That is a good price for that ammo.

      I have read somewhere that the ammo is loaded with 42.2 grs of IMR 4064, but I have not pulled a bullet and tried to analyze the powder.

      It’s probably a non canister grade powder with a burn rate in the neighborhood of 4895 or 4064. 42 grains of canister grade IMR 4895 has always been the standard load for the 168 grain SMK or 173 grain LC bullets when duplicating Federal Match or Lake City Match ammo.

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      I imagine you are correct. I suspect all factory ammo is loaded with non canister powders or proprietary powders.

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      You should take a look at the twist rate on your barrel.
      In my experience, 12 twist barrels show a decided preference for 168 grain SMK and 155 Palma bullets. The 10 twist barrels like the 175s.
      Now this is just general information and rule of thumb sort of info. I’m after the load that will give me less than 3/4MOA in the first twenty shots from a brand new custom build. I do not have the luxery of working up a load. The sooner I drop ten into a nickel sized group, the sooner the rifle will ship and I can move on. So I’m looking to match the bullet to the barrel ASAP to get plug and play match loads.
      Therefore, if your rifle is a ten twist, I’d say jump on it. If your rifle is a 12 twist, Id say stick to the 168s or try the 175s before you jump in with a huge purchase.

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      I have a 12 twist that will shoot both ,and a 10 twist that likes the 168 so go figure.

      I have lab test on my stomach early in the morning and I am not looking forward to it.
      Barium at bedtime and again for breakfast.

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      Our M24s had a 1 in 11 and something twist and they are spot on with the 175s. I’ve got so many 168s to load that I haven’t bothered to break into my 175 grain stash, but I’ll get around to it someday.

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      I still have some Berger 185 Juggernauts to try at 600 yds.

      I suspect my Winchester will shoot them, I don’t know about my Savage.
      The Savage likes the bullets seated about .005 into the lands. If the bullets make a jump they don’t shoot well in that particular rifle.

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      WCM;n14066 wrote: I still have some Berger 185 Juggernauts to try at 600 yds.

      I suspect my Winchester will shoot them, I don’t know about my Savage.
      The Savage likes the bullets seated about .005 into the lands. If the bullets make a jump they don’t shoot well in that particular rifle.

      I’ve used those Berger 185 VLDs in the Ought Six at 1,000 yards. They shot best when seated to touch the lead/beginning of the rifling. My Winchester Model 70 match rifle in Ought Six has a 1 in 10″ twist as the original Ought Six barrels had.

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      The gr load of 4064 was confirmed by Federal as the load they used on the 175gr HPBT Sierra match. Someone on Snipers hide showed actual documentation with the load data for the 168 and the 175gr loads.

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      tomme boy;n14079 wrote: The 42.2 gr load of 4064 was confirmed by Federal as the load they used on the 175gr HPBT Sierra match. Someone on Snipers hide showed actual documentation with the load data for the 168 and the 175gr loads.

      That’s very good to know. If you find the reference for the 168, do post it as well.

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      Tim here is the actual data.

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      Tim here is the data. I removed the other data above. I am still trying to find the 168gr data. I think it may be on my old laptop. I will look to see if it is there.

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      And that’s what makes a Sticky on GSF.

    • #33447
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      42.8gr 4064 IMR Sierra 168gr

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      I searched my old laptop and can not find the Data sheet like for the 175gr. Snipers hide switched forum hosting a few years ago and the search feature does not work with the old site data. This file I had on my photobucket account and I down loaded it to the site so if anything happens to my account the info will not be lost. The 168gr data came from the same source as the 175gr data.

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      Just pulled down a Federal Gold Medal match 175 gr .308 win.
      It is definitely not IMR 4064 anymore.
      It is 39.7 grs of something , but it doesn’t look like Varget,Rel 15, Norma 202,
      So I am guessing it is some kind of non canister powder.

      The rounds shoot great in my sons Savage Model 12

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      Is what you looking for M72 match load data? or 852 match? I have a copy

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