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  • #68881
     Jniedbalski 
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    Goodsteel. Wanted to know about your carbon fiber wrapped barrels. I have read up on them and I am really interested in hearing the process from a gun smith that builds them. I know the advantages of less weight but what other benefits besides like stiffness do they offer? I thank a ruger 10/22 with a barrel like this would be awesome

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    1. The reason I asked is the 10/22 I have tried with the bull barrel are to heavy to hunt with for me . The extra weight for a bench gun would be great. But I want sompthing that I can use hunting or on a bench at the range. The heavy Sporter looks like it would be in between the standard and bull barrel in weight. The bull barrel is .920 the compleat leingth and the heavy Sporter is tapered I thank 9.20 for thee inches then tapers to .720  the rest of the leingth. Then in a different post if yours you talked about you building carbon fiber wrapped barrels. I thank the weight difference would be just what I’m looking for.  A bull barrel that’s stiff but the weight lighter than the heavy Sporter. It’s s sompthing I want to  build / really putting parts together. This is sompthing I wanted to play with in the . spring . I sold my 10/22 15 years ago. It was a beautiful rifle,  stanless steel with laminate gray and black and white . It was a special order that I thank only Walmart sold. It worked great with different ammo but the accuracy was just ok. The best it would do at 100 yards was 4 To 5 in. 50 yards was about 3 1/3 in . My Chinese jw15 1966 bolt trainer  22 that when I bought it for 185$ thought  it was chez burno. I was upset when I found out it was a Chinese made untill I shot it. This rifle would shoot good match ammo 10 shot groups 1 1/2 in at 100 yards. On a good day one group out of ten or so was less than a inch after a lot of pratice I could get 3 or 4 groups less than a inch. The ruger did better the more I shot it. After about 1000 to 15000 rounds it got better but not much. Since I can find 22 ammo again I would like to play with the 22 lr again. Funny story to me anyway . I was at the range at the 200 yard bench. The guy next to me was shooting some big ultra mag . He asked what u shooting? I said 22lr. He then said that you can’t shoot 22 lr that far . And be accurate. I then showed him my targets and the groups that where about the size of base balls. They where smaller than what he was getting with his ultra mag. He just walked away saying you just can’t shoot 22 that far and hit anything
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    GS has been having some difficulties . Please bear with him . It’s an insane work load and time lines that are causing him grief . He’ll be back to a more or less normal schedule mid November .

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    https://www.proofresearch.com/the-products/barrels/savage-pre-fit-barrel/ Cost ~ 1K$

    Used to work with a guy making model (large) parts with carbon fiber.  I was surprised by the low resonance (stiffness) of his parts.  IMHO, barrels need to be covered with abrasion resistance coating.  Nicks in the fiber weaken it.  Heat is also a big problem, for the resin.  My plastic coated pellet rifle barrel bends easily.

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    Thanks for the info. I thaught Gs was busy or he would of responded by now. The carbon fiber barrel looks awesome but the price might be to much for me.

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    Carbon is a funny material to work with. The base material is fine as silk, but coupled with the resin, it becomes very stiff indeed (more or less).

    The resin is the key. Like so many things, you get what you pay for.

    In my experience, carbon cased barrels are nearly as stiff as steel, they strip heat quickly from the barrel and they are inherently more accurate. I’ve demonstrated this very effectively with before and after groups (always ten shots) from the same barrel.

    Carbon is not the end all be all, but it has its place. It can give you nearly all the benefits of a heavy target rifle with 1/2 the weight, making it ideal for hunting with. Add a suppressor or muzzle break, and the weight savings have a dramatically positive effect on recoil when used with these things.

    I apologise for my absence, but as has been said, I’m very very busy just now. On a positive note, the spam filters are working really really well and the hackers are being sent packing (so far so good).

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    Thanks for the info. A carbon wrapped barrel would make a awesome hunting walking around rifle

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    Actually, if you want my opinion on the matter, a light sporter contour IS a bull barrel to a 22lr. There’s no need for a truck axle barrel on a semi-automatic rifle in my opinion, and with an 18″ barrel, even a bolt action bench rifle would make better use of trigger, stock and optics enhancements than a heavy barrel.

    That said, the real benefit of a carbon fiber 22 barrel is the fact that they use a liner for the rifling (which is arguably the best rifling made) and just beef it up with carbon fiber. This is exactly why Dan Wesson revolvers were so accurate (no, it had nothing to do with a tensioned barrel). They used liners for their rifling, and the precision was obvious.

    So, back to the carbon barrel, did you want to make one yourself, or buy one?

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    Probably buy one . It will be spring untill I start looking for another project thanks . You are right I didint thank i needed a bull barrel on a 22. All my wimpy barrels in 22 shoot good as is but always wanted a custom bbl 22

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    IMHO the heavy bull barrel is there for stiffness/resonance, not just weight. Carbon fibre does the job.

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    I was thanking of getting a ruger 10/22 to start with. Then i seen the custom barreled actions Brownells sells. There not much more. 200 $ for a basic 10/22   The custom barreled action with parts and a used stock off eBay 275$ 300$ then I seen this at legacy sports, a escort 22lr rifle. Looks just like the chez. Burno or CZ 22 rifle trainer. I found this while looking at Howa Rifles and barreled actions. Sompthing ealse to save up money for. The JW15 I have Chinese made looks just like a chez burno CZ trainer. I moved 12 years ago and lost my 5 round mag and trigger guard redoing the stock. I could not get any parts for it and it was to good a shooter to leave it alone so I ordered real cz parts. I thaught well they will be close enuf to hand fit if need be. Well everything fit perfect mag and trigger guard. The retaining c clip and the extractor also from a cz also fit perfect. It looks like the Chinese copied it exactly. Has any body ever seen this bolt 22? It’s made in turkey I thank for Howa . What to pick out for my next 22 will have to Waite untill spring

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