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      I load primarily for pistol and revolver but have started to venture into casting for rifles, and I am really GREEN. I do not want to “hot rod”. I presently have some I cast out of COWW and water dropped. I do have other alloys to mix COWW, SOWW, Lino and pure lead plus some bars of 60/40 and some straight Tin. I guess I might as well extend this question for .277 and .308.

      Thanks, retread

    • #23057
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      You have the lino, SOWWS and tin to make Lyman #2 alloy. Mix 4 lbs lino, 4 3/4 lbs SOWWS and 1 1/4 lbs 60/40 for 10 lbs of #2 alloy.

      Larry Gibson

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      seeing how I like the 30 cals the best and don’t load for the 224 or 277 I leave that to those that do.
      In the 30 caliber (30-06) SR 4759 at 18-20 grains works great with the bullet sizer a thousands over the bore at a 160ish gr bullet. Another powder choice will be Unique around 9-10 grs for a 308 Win back off about 2 grs and start. I’m assuming a bolt gun here, so seat where there is a very slight resistance what you want is a very slight engraving on the bullet nose from the land and groove.
      here is some online cast load data from Cast Pics a great site http://castpics.net/dpl/index.php/re…et-data-lookup

      Below is a sample of what is listed for 308 Winchester

      CartridgeBullet Weight in GrainsBulletPowderMax Charge (gn)Max VelocityOALLoad Source
      308 Winchester164RCBS 308-165-Sil 164grSR 475925.020730.000CastData R1
      308 Winchester164RCBS 308-165-Sil 164grReloder 727.519920.000CastData R1
      308 Winchester164RCBS 308-165-Sil 164grIMR 489532.019920.000CastData R1
      308 Winchester164RCBS 308-165-Sil 164grWin 76042.020270.000CastData R1
      308 Winchester164RCBS 308-165-Sil 164grBlc-227.019390.000CastData R1
      308 Winchester164RCBS 308-165-Sil 164gr240022.020390.000CastData R1
      308 Winchester175RCBS 30-180-SP 175grReloder 726.018660.000CastData R1
      308 Winchester175RCBS 30-180-SP 175grimr 422724.019830.000CastData R1
      308 Winchester175RCBS 30-180-SP 175grsr 475923.019780.000CastData R1
      308 Winchester175RCBS 30-180-SP 175grh11017.015690.000CastData R1
      308 Winchester175RCBS 30-180-SP 175grRed Dot13.516310.000CastData R1
      308 Winchester175RCBS 30-180-SP 175grIMR 489534.021190.000CastData R1
      308 Winchester175RCBS 30-180-SP 175grsr 475612.014600.000CastData R1
      308 Winchester175RCBS 30-180-SP 175grH33228.017230.000CastData R1
      308 Winchester180180 Hornady HIMR PBT IntlckRamshot TAC40.825293.000ramshot
      308 Winchester180Lyman #311291 180grIMR 419828.020490.000CastLoads L1
      308 Winchester180Lyman #311291 180grIMR 422724.019800.000CastLoads L1
      308 Winchester180Lyman #311291 180gr240023.020160.000CastLoads L1
      308 Winchester180180 Hornady HIMR PBT IntlckRamshot TAC42.826073.000ramshot
      308 Winchester185Lyman #311291 185grUnique13.016690.000CastLoads L1

      seeing how SR 4759 is discontinued you might have problems finding it locally. the above list is a small sample go there and look up your caliber choices
      Unique will run across the board as well as about three or more different powder choices. Not the above is normally max loads.

      Alloy across the board is Lyman #2 as Larry suggested covers a wide area

    • #23066
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      I agree with Larry on the .224: mix up some Lyman #2.
      On the .277 and .308, if you’re not hot roding it, cut the Lyman #2 in half with pure lead or SOWW. That’s pretty much my House alloy that I cast darn near everything out of. Save your expensive metal for the high stress applications.

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      Well I’ll bite . I’ve been tinkering 223 and 6.8 SPCII. 1st time I’ve used checks for anything. For the 6.8 I’ve used 10x ,H322 and H4198 to reach into the mid 2200s . I’ve been using WCWW cut with 25%with 1-20 . It is right at the cusp of alloy failure but I need the expansion abilities for my needs . The 4198 is probably the choice but right at the top the AR gets quirky about function . This with the NOE 279-124 FP designed for the 6.8 SPCII. This rifle is with a 1-11 twist.

      The 223 is run with WCWW . The NOE copy of the 22-55 FP weighing 65 gr runs nicely up to 2400 in a 16″ AR with a 1-8 twist.

      I guess I should also add that my lube is 14 oz Vaseline, 16 Oz of paraffin and 3 tbsp STP. It stay put at 90+degrees and works under 30 degrees and has functioned to 2400 fps .

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      Thanks to all for the guidance. I failed to mention I will be using a Ruger Hawkeye bolt action so the ejection problems with lighter loads won’t be a concern like one would have to contend with an AR. I’m just an old fashioned type.

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      Thanks for the mix instructions Larry. No water drop needed?

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      I only have about 200# if lino, so conserving it for the most needed applications is important to me. Thanks Tim

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      What do you all think powder coating will have on the alloy choice if anything?

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      Powder coating is certainly worth the effort.I’m finding it helpful with softer alloys for a little expansion, PC allows you to push the load a tad faster than with lube.Also like having bullets that are not sticky/greasy to handle

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      Fit is king. The alloy is the easy part. At least in .224 water dropped wheel weights have done everything I have hoped for when sized properly and with the right powder choice. I’ve had better luck with rifle powders (plus they are easier to come by today) and semi full case. For example H335 in a 221 Fireball. H4198 or 4895 in the 308Win. A good fit and a long gentle push will do wonders. For lower FPS , you can try air cooled. See what fails, if anything, and adjust. If you give us an idea what you are trying to do we can offer advice. I can always run some loads through QuickLoad too. That’s how I figured out my Fireball load.

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      I just started playing with .223 in a bolt gun. I started out using my hunting alloy of 50/50/2. Half and half COWW and pure lead with 2%tin and found I couldn’t size and lube the bullets without squashing them. I changed to a #2 clone and the problems went away. I have never had any use for a .22 centerfire, but I am finding it to be a wonderful paper puncher and friendly to both amount of components consumed and kids. I can shoot all afternoon and only use a pound of lead…. with my 45/70 that is 14 shots.

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      @ Goodsteel, my ignorance is showing here but I have noted in two separate threads, this one, and the 45acp thread you cut #2 with wheel weights in two fashions
      1. 1:4 #2/COWW
      2. 1:1 #2/SOWW.
      Are properties of these alloys similar? I am unable to open XL documents or I would seek the answer in your charts offered elswhere.

      Thanks, claude

    • #23620
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      the #2 is lyman #2 alloy or a fairly hard made for bullet alloy , the coww is slightly softer than #2 (clip on wheel weights )..
      the soww (stick on wheel weights) is near dead soft or near pure lead thus mixing 1part #2 to 4 parts coww and
      1part #2 to 1 part soww for a soft expandable bullet ,, hope this helps .

    • #23624
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      Like badbob says, it has to do with the application and the alloy the OP says they have on hand.

      For 45ACP, I assume the person will be shooting at reasonably close distances at low pressure and they will be shooting a lot so they want to conserve their expensive alloy. Therefore, I recommended they cut their alloy to resemble COWW + a small sniff of tin. I know from experience that this mix makes some awesome 45 bullets.

      For rifle, I recognize the OP is not going to be shooting very fast or far given the calibers he listed and the common twist rates found there. Lyman #2 is suitable for shooting 3000FPS if your rifle is set up for it, but it is extremely unlikely that this is the case. Therefore, he is literally paying for capability he does not need and cannot use, so I told him to cut it down to much cheaper House alloy that will get him to 2700fps no problem, which is still way past what his rifles can give him.

      The easy answer here is to shoot #2 (either WQ or AC) in everything and call it a day, but most of us (myself included) would rather be a little more discrete about where and when we throw tin and antimony away.

      The reason why I recommended running #2 in the 224, is because A.there are actually quite a few old 222 Remingtons out there with slow twist barrels. B.The RPMTH is higher for those little calibers anyway., and C. If he goes hunting with it, the game will most likely be small, and if not, he needs all the penetration he can get. D. those little bullets are a bugger to cast, and you need the best fillout and quality you can get.
      Therefore I see much more reason to use the high alloy in that situation.

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      Thanks bb454, would you consider this a suitable hunting alloy if kept in the 1600-2000fps range?

      Goodsteel, thank you as well.

      I don’t want to hijack this thread so I will start another.

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      Thank you both.

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      Thanks to all for their input. This thread has helped me greatly and will save me a lot of expensive mistakes! :):p;)

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      Tim when using #2 AC in the 2700fps in a 223. will there be much expansion when used under 100 yards. Or am I looking at a through and through for coyotes and smaller game?

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      Kevin S;n1856 wrote: Tim when using #2 AC in the 2700fps in a 223. will there be much expansion when used under 100 yards. Or am I looking at a through and through for coyotes and smaller game?

      Assuming you can get reliable accuracy at speeds that high, I expect #2 will surprise you, but since you’re after smaller game, I would still use a Forster tool to drill a 1/16 hollow point in your bullets. If you were shooting 2900, I’d say let it ride, but 2400-2600 the expansion probably isn’t going to be there.
      Of course, I need to caviat this by explaining that I do not shoot cast bullets less than 30 caliber (makes my finger tips tingle just thinking about not dropping those itsy bitsy gas checks!)
      Take a look at these 30XCB bullets I cast from #2 and shot at varying speeds:

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