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  • #49172
     Larry Gibson 
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    A couple expletives were deleted….

    Larry Gibson

    Solid perspective on school shootings. This is written by a guy who wrote a famous book on the psychology of killing. A long read (for FB) from Dave Grossman, but the man has a point.

     

    “How many kids have been killed by school fire in all of North America in the past 50 years?

     

    Kids killed… school fire… North America… 50 years… How many? Zero. That’s right. Not one single kid has been killed by school fire anywhere in North America in the past half a century.

    Now, how many kids have been killed by school violence?”

    Standing on the stage of a high school auditorium, Grossman walked to the side nearest a wall as he addressed the crowd.  “Look up at the ceiling! See all those sprinklers up there? They’re hard to spot — they’re painted black — but they’re there. While you’re looking, look at the material the ceiling is made of. You know that that stuff was selected because it’s fire-retardant.

     

    Now look over there above the door — you see that fire exit sign? That’s not just any fire exit sign — that’s a ‘battery-backup-when-the-world-ends-it-will-still-be-lit’ fire exit sign.
    He walked to the other side, nearby a fire exit and exterior wall, Grossman slammed the palm of his hand against the wall and exclaimed, “Look at these wall boards! They were chosen because they’re what, fireproof or fire retardant? There is not one stinking thing in this room that will burn!”

    Pointing around the room as he spoke, Grossman continued, “But you’ve still got those fire sprinklers, those fire exit signs, fire hydrants outside, and fire trucks nearby! Are these fire guys crazy? Are these fire guys paranoid? No! This fire guy is our A+ student! Because this fire guy has redundant, overlapping layers of protection, not a single kid has been killed by school fire in the last 50 years!”

    “But you try to prepare for violence — the thing much more likely to kill our kids in schools, the thing hundreds of times more likely to kill our kids in schools, and people think you’re paranoid. They think you’re crazy. They’re in denial.”

    I want you to stop for a moment and think about how much money is spent on ways to put fires out and stop them from spreading. How much time is spent on training what to do if a fire burns and spreads?

     

    Now how much money and time is spent on stopping violence?

     

    Very little because it makes YOU UNCOMFORTABLE. The idea of trained staff and security with firearms in your children’s schools shocks you. Well… reality check. The image of your child in a casket due to a murderer in school with a gun will be infinitely more shocking I guarantee you.

    Passing laws restricting firearms would have the same effect as passing laws against fire. If changes in firearm laws are your answer as to how we can save children’s lives, you are naive, uninformed about human conflict, and frankly have nothing better to offer. You are grasping at straws in the darkness of ignorance. I do not hold it against you. Anyone asked to solve a problem they are not equipped to solve will make an effort to do so if they believe it to be necessary.

    ACCEPT that evil walks the earth and you or your children may one day see it.

    LEARN about how the human reacts in moments of danger and peril.

    DEVELOP SKILLS to stay alive whatever they may be.

    SHARE the mindset, knowledge and skills with your children and loved ones.

    WATER puts out FIRE.

    GUNS stop GUNS.

    You all keep pissing in the wind and wringing your hands and will accomplish nothing with more gun control..
    – Lt Col David Grossman

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     Harter 
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    That’s what we keep saying ! They won’t listen though .

    We have become so polarized that there no longer exists a middle ground .

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     popper 
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    Very well put.  I will add that most schools and public places were NOT designed with ANY security in mind.  Also, most school admin are ‘privileged’ and ‘educated’ people.   Yes, there are heroic people in schools that try to protect the kids, after the fact.  A few are beginning to realize the situation they are in.  There is an attempt to restrict access but no remedy for choke points of egress.  I used to train DISD (& convention/Olympics/prisons/airport) personnel in metal detector and xray use.  Nobody there was armed!!.  If they found a shooter, nothing to be done!! Cities spend a bunch of $ for gunshot detectors but DON’T put them in schools.  No active shooter alarms either.

    Supposed to go to a ‘security’ meeting at church this week, it will be ‘interesting’.

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     GhostHawk 
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    Our schools should be castles, yes with MOATS! Drawbridges, Porticulus that can be dropped.

    Make it impossible for a bad guy to get a gun inside.

    And make it attractive as heck for everyone who works in the school to get training.
    Training on how to use a gun in a school hostage situation.

    And then invest in some tech that would require

    A School to be on lockdown.
    B Person trying to open the gun safe to be recognized, and accepted.
    C Person knows the code, has the RFID chip, retinal pattern checks.

    D Once all those conditions are met, then and only then release the gun.

    E Ideally IMO it should be a shotgun. Better knockdown with less over penitration.

    F Button to put the school on lockdown should not be in the same room as the gun.
    And ideally should require 2 teacher imputs.

    Until we see the truth in Larry’s post we will continue to do this.

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     popper 
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    Guns in a safe is ridiculous.  Real controlled building access for EVERYBODY.  I watched 12:15 Paris.  One scene was silly.  Active shooter accidental alarm.  Class lockdown and everybody gets under the desk.  Closed classroom is a killing field!  If a shooter gets in the room, attack and throw anything at the guy.  Gun can’t hit everybody at once.  Hallways, just run, as the kids in Fl did.  Auditoriums/cafeteria aren’t too bad, several exits but somebody’s going to get hit.   The fire drill is a real problem area, they got to rethink that one.

    Run, hide, attack is still valid but training is a problem.  Around here, teachers take the G.S. kids out to recess in a line, perfect targets.

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     popper 
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    Attended the security seminar last nite. Training in attitude and response from an ex-marine security type that does big event protection details.  Lots of credentials.  Lots of real info vs the media hype.  Lots of firsthand analysis/comments on active shooter situations.  His biggest complaint is cellphones.  Calls them the white state (condition you should be in when home asleep).  We should be in the active observer state, looking for ‘something that isn’t right for the conditions’.  Then to the ‘what to do if it goes bad’  BEFORE it could!  Very much related to defensive driving.  Then he mentioned that ‘black’ condition – where the adrenaline rush shuts down the senses/response.  You don’t want to go from white to black – you won’t survive. Basic panic state. No discussion of tactical training or really any real comments about guns.  basically there will be casualties in attack situation, don’t be one.  I was somewhat disappointed in that he didn’t give recommendations on securing spaces or security plans/methods.

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     Goodsteel 
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    I home school. Firearm training is part of PE here. I care about personal defence, education, and freedom and I have pointed my life in a direction that lets me take full responsibility for all three.

    That’s my solution. I could care less what the sheople think makes sense. I think they should focus on what’s actually important, turn off the TV, pay off that car, and protect their families from danger. But what do I know? I’m just a right wing nut job.

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