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      The 1st picture is the NOE 454-250 and the original 454424.
      No cherry picking ,I just grabbed a couple to see how much difference there was .
      The Lyman tips in at 245gr and the NOE at 251.

      A Cramer #45 circa 1936-41 .
      Lee 314-155.
      Both tip in 161 gr .
      Again no cherry picking that right one is scruffy

      Funny how good designs just go on and on .

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      Just curious, which ones work better for your applications and why?

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      I shot just a few of the of the Lee 312-155 in a 308, 06 and just recently a bolt action 30-30 . Those were lacking in the 308 and 06 but shot tiny 3 shot 50 yd groups in the 30-30 . The CRAMER is brand new to me . I was struck by the similarity of the 2 . Seems that design basic goes back to about 1919.

      Same story with the 454424 . The round groove Lyman shoots as well as I do in a BlackHawk and 1917 but simply refuses to stay on the berm much less paper to 100 yd if it exceeds 1050 in the slow Rossi twist . It will shoot 152 yd standing off hand on a 12×18 steel plate from a High Point 945 carbine …….. Gotta be the twist rate .
      I dont know about the NOE I’m hoping the slightly heavier bullet and longer nose will be a bandaid cure for the 92s . They show promise doing all of the wrong things so here’s to it.

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