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The Hornaday’s have a slightly longer pointed section with one of those plastic insert tips where as the design I wanted in the home brew’s is more rounder slightly like the old Winchester OPE. Hope to have time this winter and carry the design one step further and make it a hollow point. Used to use lots of the Winchesters years ago as they really didn’t cost much more than what else was on the market and the effects they had on prairie dogs had to be seen to be believed. This in both the Hornet and Bee.

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